Girlfriend and wife behavior at parties gets lots a mail…

by Rod Smith

Recent columns about friendliness, interpreted as flirting, have generated a lot of mail. Of course I do not support deception in relationships, and of course, when a partner salaciously fishes for the attention of the opposite sex it can damage the sanctity of a committed relationship.

But open (not covert) friendliness at parties that generates a jealous and anxious response from the partner, suggests deeper problematic issues between the couple, quite apart from the “flirting.”

A person who tries to curtail a significant other’s open friendliness through threats, withdrawal, the angry eye, by driving home in silence or in a rage, has a bigger issue than the one who “flirts.”

Love, aside from being the polar opposite of controlling behavior, resists jealousy. Love refuses to accommodate the demands of the jealous party. No relationship benefits when jealousy gets it nasty way.

I’d suggest women who are openly friendly at parties, who innocently enjoy people, continue to do so. I’d suggest jealous husbands deal with their jealousy without blaming it on the woman.

Then, if a woman is so desperate for male affirmation that she is truly salacious, I’d suggest something more helpful than curtailing her behavior at parties is required if the relationship is to survive.

10 Comments to “Girlfriend and wife behavior at parties gets lots a mail…”

  1. charity's avatar

    I have read your cheating and affairs colums and, I noticed they are the same. I also have noticed that there is no mention of the males cheating in the relationship. However my problem is that once a persom has cheated in the relationship, is there any chance the couple can really move on? Even when the issue is put in the past, there is never truley forgivness. The issue is brought up every time an arguement arises. Does this mean the couple should just split up and quit trying?

  2. Rod Smith's avatar

    Dear Charity:

    Thanks for writing.

    …. I have placed my work on several blogs to spread the area of readership — please browse the blogs — MANY entries refer to men who also cheat (unfortunately)……

    Rod

  3. Robert's avatar

    My girlfriend/mother of my child, who is 30 years old and extremely beautiful – used to model and was known in Los Angeles as a party girl – goes way beyond simple flirting. Stomach touching, back rubs, sitting on bars with legs open while running fingers through someone’s hair, etc. This behavior has landed me in JAIL a few times over the past few years. We have a great relationship until we reach a certain level of alcohol consumption. I understand that this behavior was COOL as a single foot and fancy free young lady. But to act this way in a committed relationship is really wrong. After being released from the holding tank, we’ve discussed this and it’s clear that it’s not proper behavior and shows a complete disrespect for me in many ways. For a lady to say that this is innocent and that she has not intentions of sleeping with anyone is a crock of you know what. What does the guy think? He may think he has a chance of F**king your girlfriend/wife. Not to mention making your boyfriend look pretty stupid by acting this way. This sort of behavior sucks and cannot be tolerated.

  4. Robert's avatar

    By the way – i forgot to mention after doing this to me on numerous occasions I found out that she did cheat of me last year – what did I do?? I slept with someone in San Francisco. Flirting is healthy and men should get over it. What planet do you live on?

  5. Rod Smith's avatar

    Robert:
    KIndly explain how your girlfriend’s behavior landed YOU in jail — I am missing something.

    Oh, them she cheated on you and so you slept with someone in SFran? So she made you do it?

    I’d suggest you take responsibility for your behavior and get your focus off blaming this woman for your lack of control.

    Thanks for writing.

    Rod

  6. Robert's avatar

    Rod:

    I’d like to elaborate some more details on landing in jail on 2 occasions.

    The first time- One evening we were enjoying an evening at home with a few friends having a few drinks and listening to some music. After our guests left, we started arguing over our cell phone numbers. I thought it was a good idea for both of us to change our numbers since we were in a committed relationship and recently announced our engagement. At the time, we were both getting calls from our ex-lovers at all hours of the night and early morning. Of course, this was causing much tension between us because everyone knew we were getting married and living together in a serious relationship. The argument turned up a bit to YELLING and her throwing some items at my head. I decided to leave before it got any worst, so I got in my car and drove one block to sleep in the car until morning. An hour later, a few police officers tapped on my window and told me to get out of the car. They thought I was smoking crack or something. They ran my Driver License and found a traffic warrant for my arrest from 10 years ago. This in no way was her fault. I simply failed to pay a traffic ticket for a moving violation that turned into an arrest warrant. BUT, this was the night that she received a call from an EX at 4am and she ended up taking a cab to a posh hotel in LA where she had sexual relations with him. I thought she would be more interested in bailing me out of jail for $250.00 rather then running to her ex-lover.

    Long story longer – since I’ve been unfaithful in my past relationships, I decided to forgive her and move on with our relationship. She was truly sorry for her actions and we mended all of our bad feelings towards this incident.

    The second time – On a skiing trip with our 6 month son and my mother, we decide to go night skiing while my mother watched our son. We ended up at a restaurant/bar where we ended up drinking quite a bit having a terrific time. When I came back from the restroom I noticed that she was sitting on the bar with her legs wrapped around an older gentleman (whom I spoke with earlier as was very cool) and running her fingers through his hair. I don’t know about you- but I flipped out. I said – I think we better leave, She replied “you can leave.” After 30 more minutes of bickering- we finally jumped in a cab and continued back to the cabin. At that time I told her, “If that’s the type of behavior you want, I’ll go ahead and start acting that way tomorrow.” My mother suggested that I sleep upstairs in the loft and she stay with the baby in a room downstairs. She entered my room in a rage and started hitting me. Just a side note, she’s 5’11” and very athletic as a horse jumper. She blackened both of my eyes and shattered my glasses – I slapped her off of me as my mother was witnessing the whole incident. The next morning she called her sister and said that I hit her. The sister called the police and they came out and arrested me. At the station, they took pictures of my bruised face. Needless to say, the district attorney dropped all charges and I was released in a few hours. This was both of our faults. I should have locked the door and she should have lived by our agreement to never discuss tough issues while intoxicated.

    I don’t care how drunk you get. You should never disrespect the one you love by flirting to this degree.

    In the past, we have gone out dancing at various clubs. I have no problem with her dancing with someone else since she is a terrific dancer. But this sort of behavior will always make me go out of control. I simply don’t like the mother of my son, the one I love flirting and carrying on like this.

    It also reminded me of her affair with her ex which I had put behind me a long time ago. I guess seeing her close to another man acting like this brought back all of those feelings.

    Two weeks later, I was filming in San Francisco and had sexual relations with a random person with no feelings other then animal lust. This was my wrong doing. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    I hate to throw in the towel with our relationship mainly because we have a child. I ALSO LOVE HER WITH ALL OF MY HEART.

    How would you express this to her in a constructive way.

    Thanks for writing Rod.

    Robert

  7. Rod Smith's avatar

    Dear Robert:

    I have been “down” with a very bad throat and cold and so forgive the lateness of my response to you.

    Rather than “air” this circumstance so publically, I invite you to call me. No charge. Just let me know you’d like to talk and I will send you the number and a time to call.

    No catch, no tricks, — really, I do this every now and again with readers and I’d like you to know we can talk voice to voice………

    Rod Smith

  8. Robert's avatar

    Hello Rod,

    Thanks I’d like to speak to you.

    Kind regards,

    Robert
    robert@homelessfilm.org

  9. Merrell's avatar

    i’ve been reading these post in i find a common thread… people often feel its ok for men & women to develop platonic, non romantic, non sexual, no-interest relationships with PEOPLE THEY ARE ATTRACTED TO AS A FRIEND. Now i’m not saying that having a friend of the opposite sex is wrong, but it can be dangerous….. we are creatures of nature, in that i mean we seen to run toward those who bring us comfort, joy, love & satisfaction. I’ve seen all to often where a wife will slip out on her husband & he would never know. My neighbors wife Andrea, beautiful woman had everything going for her, but she would always make these advances toward me… & was serious about them, had i not been married & WITHOUT SPIRITUAL VALUES i would have given in because ultimately that is human nature. I would see her with him, she would be a different person rarely speaking, when he’s away she’s a flirt without letup. Now i’ve fixed a lot things at their home & she would always tell me her husband only knows how to use a cell phone & would laugh about it. (he 42 yo principal of a school that thinks he’s on top of the world… very egotistical). A man (or woman) does not have to be SOOOO confident to be truly loved, everyone is capable of loving toward when facing you, only true love is expressed when the other is not exactly looking at you & if they’re flirting in your presence, they will go further 9 times out of 10 when you’re not looking. Love is accommodating. If you tell your wife, girlfriend, lover that screw driver (he) or she’s poking in your rib hurts, love & consideration for your COMFORT will MAKE HER REMOVE IT & if she doesn’t THAT should tell you a lot about (1) her maturity (2) her self value compared to you (3) the way she feel about you. Talk to your wife, dont divorce her, dont return the evil for evil by flirting with others, that will really crush you because you know its wrong so dont become a lesser man by “paying her back”. Now concerning a girlfriend, you may want to consider a future with someone else because after you marry someone like this she will only get worse after marriage “IF” she’s (1) not mature & (2) see more of your imperfection & gets disgusted with yours, while ignoring her own……. People learn how to choose a real wife, STUDY that like you study a book……… For A capable wife, read Poverbs 31, i mean read it, read it. These things i’ve wrote works for me,
    take care merrell

  10. Dr. Erich von Dalkenshield's avatar

    Simply “being friendly” is not “flirting.” Being friendly is talking to and sometimes smiling and showing some interest in and even enthusiasm for some other person’s actions, achievements, career, way of life, travels, cooking, etc. Being friendly usually shows a person enjoying another persons company for a period of time and is not suggestive of anything else. Friendliness is not “intimate.”

    On the other hand, flirting is something sexual and suggestive, touching, sitting very close, paying lots and lots of attention to, complimenting and flattering way too often and too much, winking at, saying wonderful things to which are not said to the partner, comments on looks, sexiness, attractiveness, etc. etc. etc.

    You have to be from some other culture or planet not to know what flirting is– if you’re an American; even those who are not Americans know that touching, brushing against, leaning toward, getting too close— these are flirtatious sexual invitations, and, because they’re mostly non-verbal, the person who does them can evade direct responses when accused and can lie, deceive, manipulate, tease, hurt, or control their partner. This is true all over most of the world. It is almost (but not quite) universal. All cultures know what flirting is and condemn it if it involves committed people. To pretend otherwise is ridiculous. It is acceptable to condemn it.

    Oh, yes, people can be jealous, that is true, but then people can be made to feel jealous as well. Are you really jealous or are you humiliated because disrespected? I see that the two emotions are really often confused. The best thing is to do nothing. Don’t even mention the behavior that arouses your hurt feelings, wait and see. Wait quite awhile, test your perceptions, perhaps you are wrong. But after waiting and doubting yourself, stop and consider: “Is this the person I like and want to be with?” Don’t ask that person, ask yourself and decide for yourself. No amount of talking will change that person you’re with. Americans like to discuss every issue far too much. Sometimes it’s better just to quit and leave a relationship because you do not like that person’s behavior. If you leave, they may ask you what went wrong. Then you’ll have a chance to explain what it was the made you decide they weren’t right for you.

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